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Warren Buffett says AI may be better for scammers than society. And he's seen how
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Warren Buffett says AI may be better for scammers than society. And he's seen how

2024-05-05 16:32 Last Updated At:16:40

OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — Warren Buffett cautioned the tens of thousands of shareholders who packed an arena for his annual meeting that artificial intelligence scams could become "the growth industry of all time."

Doubling down on his cautionary words from last year, Buffett told the throngs he recently came face to face with the downside of AI. And it looked and sounded just like him. Someone made a fake video of Buffett, apparently convincing enough that the so-called Oracle of Omaha himself said he could imagine it tricking him into sending money overseas.

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From left, D'Ann Rhoten takes a photo of Brittany Thornton and Melissa Shapiro in the exhibit hall of the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

From left, D'Ann Rhoten takes a photo of Brittany Thornton and Melissa Shapiro in the exhibit hall of the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Amy Keady of Frederick, Maryland, holds her son, Ben, 11, as they wait in line outside the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Amy Keady of Frederick, Maryland, holds her son, Ben, 11, as they wait in line outside the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Jennifer Cua of Las Vegas sits with her purchases from Squishmallows during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Jennifer Cua of Las Vegas sits with her purchases from Squishmallows during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Shareholder Tina Schmidt of Cozad, Neb., wears a shirt with Warren Buffett's portrait in the style of an Andy Warhol painting at he Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Shareholder Tina Schmidt of Cozad, Neb., wears a shirt with Warren Buffett's portrait in the style of an Andy Warhol painting at he Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

See's Candies associates, including Holly Pellicano of San Francisco, center, do yoga together before shareholders arrive for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

See's Candies associates, including Holly Pellicano of San Francisco, center, do yoga together before shareholders arrive for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Bart Macdonald of New York City takes photos of the BNSF Railway model train display during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Bart Macdonald of New York City takes photos of the BNSF Railway model train display during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Valerie Deichert of Omaha, left, assists shareholders with their purchases from the Oriental Trading booth during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Valerie Deichert of Omaha, left, assists shareholders with their purchases from the Oriental Trading booth during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Shareholders find their seats for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Shareholders find their seats for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Harold and Caroline Ernst of St. Louis chat with fellow shareholders as they wait for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting to begin on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Harold and Caroline Ernst of St. Louis chat with fellow shareholders as they wait for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting to begin on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Michelle King of San Francisco does yoga in the See's Candies booth before the arrival of shareholders for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Michelle King of San Francisco does yoga in the See's Candies booth before the arrival of shareholders for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with the mascot for one of its companies, Oriental Trading, while the more famous spokeslizard for Geico insurance looms over their shoulder, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. CEO Warren Buffett will spend hours answering questions at the meeting on Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with the mascot for one of its companies, Oriental Trading, while the more famous spokeslizard for Geico insurance looms over their shoulder, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. CEO Warren Buffett will spend hours answering questions at the meeting on Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with a cutout poster of CEO Warren Buffett Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., inside the exhibit hall in Omaha where Berkshire companies sell their products. Buffett will spend hours answering questions at the meeting Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with a cutout poster of CEO Warren Buffett Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., inside the exhibit hall in Omaha where Berkshire companies sell their products. Buffett will spend hours answering questions at the meeting Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Daegwon Kim of South Korea, who arrived in line at 3:30 a.m., takes photos of the crowd behind him outside the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Daegwon Kim of South Korea, who arrived in line at 3:30 a.m., takes photos of the crowd behind him outside the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel poses with shareholders Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel is set to be the next CEO after Warren Buffett is gone. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel poses with shareholders Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel is set to be the next CEO after Warren Buffett is gone. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders watch a model BNSF train run past a model town filled with other Berkshire companies Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Buffett will spend hours answering questions at a meeting Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders watch a model BNSF train run past a model town filled with other Berkshire companies Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Buffett will spend hours answering questions at a meeting Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders line up to take selfies with Greg Abel Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel will one day replace Warren Buffett as CEO. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders line up to take selfies with Greg Abel Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel will one day replace Warren Buffett as CEO. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway investment manager Ted Weschler, center, talks with Brooks Running CEO Dan Sheridan, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., one day ahead of the annual shareholders meeting. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway investment manager Ted Weschler, center, talks with Brooks Running CEO Dan Sheridan, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., one day ahead of the annual shareholders meeting. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with a cutout poster of CEO Warren Buffett, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., one day ahead of the annual shareholders meeting. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with a cutout poster of CEO Warren Buffett, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., one day ahead of the annual shareholders meeting. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel poses for pictures with shareholders while touring the booths Berkshires companies set up, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel will succeed Warren Buffett as CEO one day. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel poses for pictures with shareholders while touring the booths Berkshires companies set up, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel will succeed Warren Buffett as CEO one day. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel checks out the flight simulators offered by one of Berkshires companies, Flight Safety as he toured the exhibit hall Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. ahead of Saturday's meeting. Abel is set to succeed Warren Buffett as CEO one day. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel checks out the flight simulators offered by one of Berkshires companies, Flight Safety as he toured the exhibit hall Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. ahead of Saturday's meeting. Abel is set to succeed Warren Buffett as CEO one day. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

The billionaire investing guru predicted scammers will seize on the technology, and may do more harm with it than society can wring good.

“As someone who doesn't understand a damn thing about it, it has enormous potential for good and enormous potential for harm and I just don’t know how that plays out,” he said.

The day started early Saturday with Berkshire Hathaway announcing a steep drop in earnings as the paper value of its investments plummeted and it pared its Apple holdings. The company reported a $12.7 billion profit, or $8,825 per Class A share, in first the quarter, down 64% from $35.5 billion, or $24,377 per A share a year ago.

But Buffett encourages investors to pay more attention to the conglomerate’s operating earnings from the companies it actually owns. Those jumped 39% to $11.222 billion, or $7,796.47 per Class A share, led by insurance companies’ performance.

None of it that got in the way of the fun.

Throngs flooded the arena to buy up Squishmallows of Buffett and former Vice Chairman Charlie Munger, who died last fall. The event attracts investors from all over the world and is unlike any other company meeting. Those attending for the first time are driven by an urgency to get here while the 93-year-old Buffett is still alive.

“This is one of the best events in the world to learn about investing. To learn from the gods of the industry,” said Akshay Bhansali, who spent the better part of two days traveling from India to Omaha.

Devotees come from all over the world to vacuum up tidbits of wisdom from Buffett, who famously dubbed the meeting ‘Woodstock for Capitalists.’

But a key ingredient was missing this year: It was the first meeting since Munger died.

The meeting opened with a video tribute highlighting some of his best known quotes, including classic lines like “If people weren't so often wrong, we wouldn't be so rich.” The video also featured skits the investors made with Hollywood stars over the years, including a “Desperate Housewives” spoof where one of the women introduced Munger as her boyfriend and another in which actress Jaimie Lee Curtis swooned over him.

As the video ended, the arena erupted in a prolonged standing ovation honoring Munger, whom Buffett called “the architect of Berkshire Hathaway.”

Buffett said Munger remained curious about the world up until the end of his life at 99, hosting dinner parties, meeting with people and holding regular Zoom calls.

“Like his hero Ben Franklin, Charlie wanted to understand everything,” Buffett said.

For decades, Munger and Buffett functioned as a classic comedy duo, with Buffett offering lengthy setups to Munger's witty one-liners. He once referred to unproven internet companies as “turds.”

Together, the pair transformed Berkshire from a floundering textile mill into a massive conglomerate made up of a variety of interests, from insurance companies such as Geico to BNSF railroad to several major utilities and an assortment of other companies.

Munger often summed up the key to Berkshire’s success as “trying to be consistently not stupid, instead of trying to be very intelligent.” He and Buffett also were known for sticking to businesses they understood well.

“Warren always did at least 80% of the talking. But Charlie was a great foil,” said Stansberry Research analyst Whitney Tilson, who was looking forward to his 27th consecutive meeting.

Munger's absence, however, created space for shareholders to get to know better the two executives who directly oversee Berkshire's companies: Ajit Jain, who manages the insurance units; and Abel, who handles everything else and has been named Buffett's successor. The two shared the main stage with Buffett this year.

The first time Buffett kicked a question to Abel, he mistakenly said “Charlie?” Abel shrugged off the mistake and dove into the challenges utilities face from the increased risk of wildfires and some regulators' reluctance to let them collect a reasonable profit.

Morningstar analyst Greggory Warren said he believes Abel spoke up more Saturday and let shareholders see some of the brilliance Berkshire executives talk about.

Abel offered a twist on Munger's classic “I have nothing to add” line by often starting his answers Saturday by saying “The only thing I would add.”

“Greg's a rock star,” said Chris Bloomstran, president of Semper Augustus Investments Group. "The bench is deep. He won’t have the same humor at the meeting. But I think we all come here to get a reminder every year to be rational.”

Buffett has made clear that Abel will be Berkshire's next CEO, but he said Saturday that he had changed his opinion on how the company's investment portfolio should be handled. He had previously said it would fall to two investment managers who handle small chunks of the portfolio now. On Saturday, Buffett endorsed Abel for the gig, as well as overseeing the operating businesses and any acquisitions.

“He understands businesses extremely well. and if you understand businesses, you understand common stocks,” Buffett said. Ultimately, it will be up to the board to decide, but the billionaire said he might come back and haunt them if they try to do it differently.

Overall, Buffett said Berkshire's system of having all the noninsurance companies report to Abel and the insurers report to Jain is working well. He himself hardly gets any calls from managers anymore because they get more guidance from Abel and Jain.

“This place would work extremely well the next day if something happened to me,” Buffett said.

Nevertheless, the best applause line of the day was Buffett's closing remark: “I not only hope that you come next year but I hope that I come next year.”

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From left, D'Ann Rhoten takes a photo of Brittany Thornton and Melissa Shapiro in the exhibit hall of the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

From left, D'Ann Rhoten takes a photo of Brittany Thornton and Melissa Shapiro in the exhibit hall of the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Amy Keady of Frederick, Maryland, holds her son, Ben, 11, as they wait in line outside the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Amy Keady of Frederick, Maryland, holds her son, Ben, 11, as they wait in line outside the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Jennifer Cua of Las Vegas sits with her purchases from Squishmallows during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Jennifer Cua of Las Vegas sits with her purchases from Squishmallows during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Shareholder Tina Schmidt of Cozad, Neb., wears a shirt with Warren Buffett's portrait in the style of an Andy Warhol painting at he Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Shareholder Tina Schmidt of Cozad, Neb., wears a shirt with Warren Buffett's portrait in the style of an Andy Warhol painting at he Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

See's Candies associates, including Holly Pellicano of San Francisco, center, do yoga together before shareholders arrive for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

See's Candies associates, including Holly Pellicano of San Francisco, center, do yoga together before shareholders arrive for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Bart Macdonald of New York City takes photos of the BNSF Railway model train display during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Bart Macdonald of New York City takes photos of the BNSF Railway model train display during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Valerie Deichert of Omaha, left, assists shareholders with their purchases from the Oriental Trading booth during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Valerie Deichert of Omaha, left, assists shareholders with their purchases from the Oriental Trading booth during the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Shareholders find their seats for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Shareholders find their seats for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Harold and Caroline Ernst of St. Louis chat with fellow shareholders as they wait for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting to begin on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Harold and Caroline Ernst of St. Louis chat with fellow shareholders as they wait for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting to begin on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Michelle King of San Francisco does yoga in the See's Candies booth before the arrival of shareholders for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Michelle King of San Francisco does yoga in the See's Candies booth before the arrival of shareholders for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with the mascot for one of its companies, Oriental Trading, while the more famous spokeslizard for Geico insurance looms over their shoulder, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. CEO Warren Buffett will spend hours answering questions at the meeting on Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with the mascot for one of its companies, Oriental Trading, while the more famous spokeslizard for Geico insurance looms over their shoulder, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. CEO Warren Buffett will spend hours answering questions at the meeting on Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with a cutout poster of CEO Warren Buffett Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., inside the exhibit hall in Omaha where Berkshire companies sell their products. Buffett will spend hours answering questions at the meeting Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with a cutout poster of CEO Warren Buffett Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., inside the exhibit hall in Omaha where Berkshire companies sell their products. Buffett will spend hours answering questions at the meeting Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Daegwon Kim of South Korea, who arrived in line at 3:30 a.m., takes photos of the crowd behind him outside the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Daegwon Kim of South Korea, who arrived in line at 3:30 a.m., takes photos of the crowd behind him outside the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting on Saturday, May 4, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. (AP Photo/Rebecca S. Gratz)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel poses with shareholders Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel is set to be the next CEO after Warren Buffett is gone. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel poses with shareholders Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel is set to be the next CEO after Warren Buffett is gone. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders watch a model BNSF train run past a model town filled with other Berkshire companies Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Buffett will spend hours answering questions at a meeting Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders watch a model BNSF train run past a model town filled with other Berkshire companies Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Buffett will spend hours answering questions at a meeting Saturday. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders line up to take selfies with Greg Abel Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel will one day replace Warren Buffett as CEO. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders line up to take selfies with Greg Abel Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel will one day replace Warren Buffett as CEO. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway investment manager Ted Weschler, center, talks with Brooks Running CEO Dan Sheridan, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., one day ahead of the annual shareholders meeting. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway investment manager Ted Weschler, center, talks with Brooks Running CEO Dan Sheridan, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., one day ahead of the annual shareholders meeting. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with a cutout poster of CEO Warren Buffett, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., one day ahead of the annual shareholders meeting. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway shareholders pose with a cutout poster of CEO Warren Buffett, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb., one day ahead of the annual shareholders meeting. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel poses for pictures with shareholders while touring the booths Berkshires companies set up, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel will succeed Warren Buffett as CEO one day. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel poses for pictures with shareholders while touring the booths Berkshires companies set up, Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. Abel will succeed Warren Buffett as CEO one day. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel checks out the flight simulators offered by one of Berkshires companies, Flight Safety as he toured the exhibit hall Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. ahead of Saturday's meeting. Abel is set to succeed Warren Buffett as CEO one day. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Greg Abel checks out the flight simulators offered by one of Berkshires companies, Flight Safety as he toured the exhibit hall Friday, May 3, 2024, in Omaha, Neb. ahead of Saturday's meeting. Abel is set to succeed Warren Buffett as CEO one day. (AP Photo/Josh Funk)

BOSTON (AP) — Before the Boston Celtics took the floor without their biggest star on a night they had to win, Joe Mazzulla implored his players to just pour everything they had into winning one game.

They did, and the defending NBA champions earned another chance to extend their season.

Derrick White had 34 points, including seven 3-pointers, to lead the Celtics to a 127-102 Game 5 win over the New York Knicks on Wednesday night that kept them alive in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

“We did what was necessary to do what we needed to do to get it back to New York,” Mazzulla said. “You don’t get to pick the test that you have, you pick how you respond to them.”

The Celtics connected on 22 3-pointers to post their first home victory of the series and first without Jayson Tatum following his season-ending Achilles tendon injury.

“Losing JT is tough,” White said. “But we’ve got a lot of guys that are highly competitive, and we didn’t want the season to end tonight.”

The Knicks will try again to win the series Friday in New York. If the Celtics win, Game 7 would be in Boston on Monday.

Jaylen Brown added 26 points and 12 assists. Payton Pritchard had 17 points and five 3-pointers. Luke Kornet finished with 10 points, nine rebounds and seven blocks. He started the second half for Kristaps Porzingis, who played just 12 minutes. Mazzulla said Porzingis was having trouble breathing as he continues to deal with a lingering viral illness.

The Celtics are looking to become just the 14th team in NBA history to come back from a 3-1 deficit in 294 attempts.

Josh Hart led the Knicks with 24 points despite briefly leaving the game late in the first quarter to close a bloody gash over his eye after he took an inadvertent elbow.

Jalen Brunson added 22 points before fouling out with 7:19 to play in the game.

Boston closed the third quarter on a 23-9 run and took a 91-76 lead to the fourth. Brunson spent the final 2:45 of the third on the bench after picking up his fifth foul.

“They came out with a sense of urgency that we need,” Brunson said.

The Celtics kept it going in the final period, pushing their lead as high as 28 points.

The game was highly physical throughout and included a brief face-to-face skirmish between Hart and Brown.

That energy carried over offensively. The Celtics came out hot, getting five 3s from White and 12 total in the opening 24 minutes.

“We’ve got to play desperate. I don’t think we did that,” Knicks guard Mikal Bridges said.

But the Knicks held as much as a nine-point lead, connecting on eight 3s of their own and getting 10 second-chance points. Mitchell Robinson also converted on all four of his free throw attempts in the first half, nullifying the series-long intentional foul strategy Boston employed on him.

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Boston Celtics center Al Horford (42) dunks against the New York Knicks during the first half of Game 5 of an NBA basketball second-round playoff series, Wednesday, May 14, 2025, in Boston. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

Boston Celtics center Al Horford (42) dunks against the New York Knicks during the first half of Game 5 of an NBA basketball second-round playoff series, Wednesday, May 14, 2025, in Boston. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

Boston Celtics guard Payton Pritchard celebrates after hitting a basket against the New York Knicks during the second half of Game 5 of an NBA basketball second-round playoff series, Wednesday, May 14, 2025, in Boston. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

Boston Celtics guard Payton Pritchard celebrates after hitting a basket against the New York Knicks during the second half of Game 5 of an NBA basketball second-round playoff series, Wednesday, May 14, 2025, in Boston. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

Boston Celtics guard Jaylen Brown (7) drives to the basket against New York Knicks guard Jalen Brunson, right, during the first half of Game 5 of an NBA basketball second-round playoff series, Wednesday, May 14, 2025, in Boston. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

Boston Celtics guard Jaylen Brown (7) drives to the basket against New York Knicks guard Jalen Brunson, right, during the first half of Game 5 of an NBA basketball second-round playoff series, Wednesday, May 14, 2025, in Boston. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

Boston Celtics guard Derrick White (9) drives to the basket against New York Knicks guard Cameron Payne (1) during the first half of Game 5 of an NBA basketball second-round playoff series, Wednesday, May 14, 2025, in Boston. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

Boston Celtics guard Derrick White (9) drives to the basket against New York Knicks guard Cameron Payne (1) during the first half of Game 5 of an NBA basketball second-round playoff series, Wednesday, May 14, 2025, in Boston. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

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